>> again, in medicare, in health programs. other programs, we've still laid out $600 billion. a couple of examples, but can you look at the details. we propose to reform and limit farm subsidies, which can save a significant amount of money, and in health care we proposed things, like, for example, raising premiums modestly for higher -- we propose to get the government much smarter in how it purchases medicine. those are just three examples, but there's $600 billion of detailed policy in that program which alongside the trillion we did together that's already in place and the savings we get from winding down these wars is a substantial package. >> you have a $16 trillion debt, and you did $1 trillion of it, and that was in order to get your debt ceiling raised. how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the spending side. what we're not going to do is extend those tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. those cost $1 trilli